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We take you now to Myanmar, where opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi has been free now for almost a week.
我們現在帶你來到緬甸，反對黨領袖翁山蘇姬獲釋已將近一週。

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She spent 15 of the past 21 years in detention.
在過去二十一年中，她有十五年的時間遭到監禁。

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Now 65 years old, Suu Kyi has fought for more than two decades to bring change to her homeland.
現年六十五歲的蘇姬抗爭超過二十年，只為了能給她的祖國帶來一些改變。

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Our Fred Pleitgen spoke with her.
我們的弗德瑞克‧普萊根和她做了訪談。

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You've been using the term "revolution," a peaceful revolution.
你一直使用「革命」這個詞，和平革命。

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A revolution is always getting rid of one political system and installing another one.
革命一直是指擺脫舊有政治體制，設置另外一套體制。

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Is that what you mean?
那是你說的意思嗎？

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No. I mean by "revolution," I mean a significant change, like the IT revolution.
不。我說的「革命」，意思是指重大的改變，就像資訊科技革命一樣。

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It means...the IT revolution has meant tremendous changes and significant changes for the whole world.
那是指……資訊科技革命在全球都代表著巨大而意味深遠的改變。

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So, what we mean is enough change within the country to make people feel that they've got [gotten] onto a new and better stage,
所以，我們的意思是國內發生足夠的改變，能夠讓民眾覺得他們進入更好的新局，

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and that is what I mean by revolution.
那就是我用「革命」這個詞的意思。

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A revolution in the strict sense of the word just means, as I said, tremendous changes.
革命嚴格來說就如同我剛才所言，是指重大的改變。

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I want the people to be more empowered. I want them to feel more empowered.
我希望人民有更多的權力。我希望他們能感受到擁有更多的權力。

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I want them to be more involved in the process of nation building.
我希望他們能在國家建設的過程中參與更多。

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I want them to feel that it is they who will decide what the destiny of the country is
我希望人民能感受到他們能決定國家的未來，

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and that they will have the proper means of shaping the destiny of the country.
並且擁有正當的方法影響國家的未來。

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It's a lot of things, but the first thing I think is the empowerment of the people -- legally, constitutionally.
這牽涉很多，但我想首要之務便是在法律上、憲法上賦權於民。

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What sort of society do you envision? And, of course, we always look at societies that are already there.
你展望的社會是什麼樣子？當然，我們都會向現存的國家看齊。

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Do you envision something like the United States, with very broad freedoms, both economically as well as socially?
你想像的是像美國這樣的國家，不論在經濟上和社會上都有廣泛的自由？

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Or would you be willing to settle for something maybe more along the lines of China,
還是你會勉強接受像中國這類的國家，

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where you have broad economic freedoms now, but social and personal freedoms are still somewhat lagging?
目前有高度的經濟自由，但是社會和個人自由仍有點跟不上？

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I think we would like more respect for human rights in Burma than at present you can see going on in China.
我想我們希望緬甸比目前的中國更尊重人權。

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Of course, we would like the economic progress.
當然，我們希望經濟發展。

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But I think that has to be balanced by what I would think of as accountability.
但是我想那必須有當責來加以平衡。

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And I think China is going in that direction.
我認為中國是朝那個方向在走。

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I think some of their local governments and so on have been made to be more accountable.
我想他們的一些地方政府和其他機構已經變得愈來愈能擔當責任。

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And I think accountability is very important. Progress has to go hand in hand with accountability.
我認為當責非常重要。經濟發展和當責必須並進。

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President Obama has said that you're one of his heroes.
歐巴馬總統表示你是他心中的英雄之一。

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What would you like to see him do in his economic...what would you like to see America do in its policy towards Burma?
你想看到他在經濟上有何作為……你想看到美國在與緬甸的外交上有何作為？

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I believe in engagements. I'm not against that.
我相信直接交涉。我並不反對。

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There are a lot of people who say that because now the U.S. has decided to engage with the military regime, they've turned their back on us.
有許多人說，因為現在美國決定要和軍事政權建立關係，所以他們會對我們置之不理。

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I don't think of it like that. I think engagement is a good thing.
我並不這麼認為。我認為交涉是件好事。

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But I don't want them to go into engagement with...wearing rose-colored glasses.
但是我不希望他們交涉時……過於樂觀。

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I think I would want them to be practical about it: not engagement wearing rose-colored glasses,
我希望他們能講求實際：不是抱持著過份樂觀的態度交涉，

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but engagement, but keeping your eyes open and, you know, alert and seeing what is really going on,
而是睜大眼睛交涉，提高警覺，時時注意實際發生的事情，

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and where engagement is leading to and what changes really need to be brought about.
注意雙方交涉的後果和真正需要帶來的改變。

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You've been talking a lot about dialogue, but you've also been very, very vocal on the need for dramatic change, as you say.
你不斷提到進行對話，但是你對於重大改變的需求也直言不諱，如你所言。

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Are you afraid they're gonna lock you up again for saying that at some point?
你會害怕他們因為你的這些言論在某個時刻再次拘禁你嗎？

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I mean, right now, they seem to be letting it happen, but you never know how long that's gonna last.
我的意思是說，現在，他們似乎讓你獲釋，但是你永遠不知道那會維持多久。 

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Oh, but let's not put it as dramatic change. Let's put it as change in the right direction and...
不要把我獲釋認為是重大改變，這只是正確的改變……

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but your question about do I think they'll lock me up again,
但是關於你問到他們是否會再度監禁我，

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you know, so many people ask me this question and the only thing I can say is I don't know.
你知道，太多人問過我這個問題了，而我唯一的答案是我不知道。

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It's always a possibility. After all, they've arrested me several times in the past;
總會有這個可能。畢竟，他們過去已多次逮捕我，

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there's nothing to say that they won't arrest me again.
不能說未來他們不會再次逮捕我。

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But you can't keep thinking about that, you just have to get on with your work.
但是我不能一直想著這件事，我必須繼續好好做我的事。

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And that's what you're gonna do,
這是你接下來要做的吧？

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you're just gonna keep putting your policies or trying to put your policies in place or your ideas?
你將會繼續推動你的政策，或試著推動你的政策或理念嗎？

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Well, we do try to be as amicable as possible and we try to be as reasonable as possible in what we ask for.
我們試著儘可能的心平氣和，並且試著儘可能理性要求我們所要的。

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But if you are in the kind of struggle in which we're engaged,
但是，當你置身在我們參與的這種抗爭中，

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there are certain things you have to do, unless you want to drop out of the movement altogether.
有某些事情你非做不可，除非你想永遠退出這場運動。